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JJ
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:27 pm    Post subject: Hold on to your glass eye Reply with quote

I do feel now looking back what a privilege it was as a boy of 11 to have attended the zenith of British Motor Shows.

https://youtu.be/oHNsqrxKZLo

What a time to be alive.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Hold on to your glass eye Reply with quote

JJ wrote:
I do feel now looking back what a privilege it was as a boy of 11 to have attended the zenith of British Motor Shows.

https://youtu.be/oHNsqrxKZLo

What a time to be alive.


Ruddy nora, I wasn't just at that show, I worked on that very programme.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely stuff
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those were the days my friends...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh my Glass Eye.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:38 am    Post subject: Re: Hold on to your glass eye Reply with quote

Ottertronic wrote:
JJ wrote:
I do feel now looking back what a privilege it was as a boy of 11 to have attended the zenith of British Motor Shows.

https://youtu.be/oHNsqrxKZLo

What a time to be alive.


Ruddy nora, I wasn't just at that show, I worked on that very programme.


So YOU say.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that was the last NEC show I attended. Kept clashing with Chepstow.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check this out for GLASS EYE STUFF.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SsizoYrceOg
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marinast wrote:
Check this out for GLASS EYE STUFF.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SsizoYrceOg


That's made me want to read Back From The Brink again.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How on earth could it be so right, and then in months be so wrong, bloody shame
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edwards had the right idea, he just cut the knife a bit too deep.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marinast wrote:
Edwards had the right idea, he just cut the knife a bit too deep.


I think his only error of judgement was Abingdon.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aye.

I hope the Cunningham fared alright, you tend to forget there were real people involved, not just work shy line workers.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Sward wrote:
marinast wrote:
Edwards had the right idea, he just cut the knife a bit too deep.


I think his only error of judgement was Abingdon.


I seem to remember him being somewhat rueful over Abingdon - but the collapse of the US market forced his hand.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BL was sadly at the mercy of the Dollar - Pound exchange rate in the early 1980s, it’s what eventually killed the TR7.
Abingdon had the luxury of being one of the less troublesome factories in the Leyland empire, but it was woefully out of date and to modernise it would have cost a fortune the company did not have. Coupled to that the only new MG model in the pipe work being the O Series MGB, I think they did the right thing. The real shame was not looking at building the TR7 there from the start along side Speke, incase those troublesome Scoucers went on strike.
Abingdon could also have allowed TR7 production to continue at a reduced output but long enough to see improved exchange rates and model improvements?
But that would have entailed the whole site being rebuilt and convincing MG staff to build Triumphs....
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was there not a plan to build the MG-badged TR7s there, at one point?

Of course, more production duplication would have been daft, but they did daft things. Building convertibles, coupes, 2+2s and a saloon derivative all from the same parts in the same plant would have probably made more sense. And preferably a plant that wasn't on strike the whole fucking time...

The Abingdon work force didn't deserve what they got, though.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really did look like we were on the precipice of a rebirth of our car industry. For all off a few months.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I balme the R8 - they ought never to have launched a really decent product at the top of its game.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abingdon should have been a sports car centre. Not allowed to make anything wholly new, but do whatever they like using existing components. They'd have been value added for the firm. TR7, TR8, MGB, MGB GT, V8s, ST Tuning, etc. Continue with motorsport. Even pull stuff from Jaguar.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was there too. Took hours to get home due to flooding. Biblical rain. Went to Cosford and sheltered under the Vulcan, which had rain flowing right through it.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marinast wrote:
BL was sadly at the mercy of the Dollar - Pound exchange rate in the early 1980s, it’s what eventually killed the TR7.
Abingdon had the luxury of being one of the less troublesome factories in the Leyland empire, but it was woefully out of date and to modernise it would have cost a fortune the company did not have. Coupled to that the only new MG model in the pipe work being the O Series MGB, I think they did the right thing. The real shame was not looking at building the TR7 there from the start along side Speke, incase those troublesome Scoucers went on strike.
Abingdon could also have allowed TR7 production to continue at a reduced output but long enough to see improved exchange rates and model improvements?
But that would have entailed the whole site being rebuilt and convincing MG staff to build Triumphs....

'Twas ever thus. We've been called too expensive because the pound was too strong, and in the other hand parts cost was too high because the pound was too weak. I asked in Burnaston Hall were was the sweet spot...No answer.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Sward wrote:
Abingdon should have been a sports car centre. Not allowed to make anything wholly new, but do whatever they like using existing components. They'd have been value added for the firm. TR7, TR8, MGB, MGB GT, V8s, ST Tuning, etc. Continue with motorsport. Even pull stuff from Jaguar.


Some of the best ‘hands on’ engineers in BL worked at Special Tuning, the company could have had a ‘skunk works’ section of its own looking at new projects or modified existing products,along the lines of a Turbo charged SD1 or TR8 V8 etc.
It was a great untapped resource that the company basically shitcanned unceremoniously and it hurt the development of new products as S/T would undertake engine development evaluations and modifications to troubled or underdeveloped designs on later products.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes but at the front you have Wurzel fitting a lock with a rachet screwdriver. Should have a gun and a simple lock, fucking stupid complex thing given to an toothless peasant to fit, WCPGW!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

620bob wrote:
marinast wrote:
BL was sadly at the mercy of the Dollar - Pound exchange rate in the early 1980s, it’s what eventually killed the TR7.
Abingdon had the luxury of being one of the less troublesome factories in the Leyland empire, but it was woefully out of date and to modernise it would have cost a fortune the company did not have. Coupled to that the only new MG model in the pipe work being the O Series MGB, I think they did the right thing. The real shame was not looking at building the TR7 there from the start along side Speke, incase those troublesome Scoucers went on strike.
Abingdon could also have allowed TR7 production to continue at a reduced output but long enough to see improved exchange rates and model improvements?
But that would have entailed the whole site being rebuilt and convincing MG staff to build Triumphs....

'Twas ever thus. We've been called too expensive because the pound was too strong, and in the other hand parts cost was too high because the pound was too weak. I asked in Burnaston Hall were was the sweet spot...No answer.


Bloody accountants...

This is why most of them want to force us into the Euro, which can at least totally collapse at a specific rate.

Sterling seemed to have caused a few worries at B**-Rover in the 2000s too, as I remember...
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