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chucky
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're shit to drive, not particularly reliable, and the dealerships are all CUNTS.

People never fucking learn.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No cars are reliable. Itís a lottery
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So true.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkM wrote:
No cars are reliable. Itís a lottery


Or, to look at it another way, modern cars are astonishingly reliable considering their complexity and the way in which they're treated by fuckwits, and failure to proceed is a notable rarity rather than the regular occurrence it once was.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TLDR: BUY BOB.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aye. Thereís no welding them up every 3 years either.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seamaster wrote:
TLDR: BUY BOB.


ďBUYĒ

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ottertronic wrote:
MarkM wrote:
No cars are reliable. Itís a lottery


Or, to look at it another way, modern cars are astonishingly reliable considering their complexity and the way in which they're treated by fuckwits, and failure to proceed is a notable rarity rather than the regular occurrence it once was.


Yes, when you think about the amount of computer related equipment there is to crash inexplicably combined with the stresses and strains placed on the mechanicals by the average motorist bouncing up and down kerbs and gently Bennying into things itís a wonder how Land Roverís reliability record is the poor exception rather than the norm.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkM wrote:
No cars are reliable. Itís a lottery

To an extent I agree it only takes a flaw in the assembly or the supplied part to torpedo an individual car. I was at Welsh Deeside on Monday. The manufacturing of an engine from base Aluminium to a working engine is phenomenal. Then it gets put in a car with many more parts. My Maestro fell to pieces in less than 8 years with loads of work done, including welding, two wheel bearings, two gearboxes, a clutch, gear linkages, window regulator. 110k = dead. Corolla Verso from 2006, one starter motor under warranty, one fuel tank 50/50, one wheel bearing. 120k, still going strong.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GordonBennett wrote:
Ottertronic wrote:
MarkM wrote:
No cars are reliable. Itís a lottery


Or, to look at it another way, modern cars are astonishingly reliable considering their complexity and the way in which they're treated by fuckwits, and failure to proceed is a notable rarity rather than the regular occurrence it once was.


Yes, when you think about the amount of computer related equipment there is to crash inexplicably combined with the stresses and strains placed on the mechanicals by the average motorist bouncing up and down kerbs and gently Bennying into things itís a wonder how Land Roverís reliability record is the poor exception rather than the norm.


I see a lot of 'dealer replaced wiring loom' on Tatuar forums.

All this tech is marvellous, but if your subbie cannot even crimp on a fucking spade connector correctly, there's no hope in Hell. The Japies got wiring looms reliable decades ago.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In nearly a decade of hybrid Bob "ownership", all I've had to have replaced is a 12V battery.

AN EASY LIFE FTW.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And how much has that cost in terms of buying the car (for buzby)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In nearly a decade of hybrid Bob "ownership", all I've had to have replaced is a 12V battery.

AN EASY LIFE FTW.


It was more than just one 12v battery IIRC.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Giles wrote:
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In nearly a decade of hybrid Bob "ownership", all I've had to have replaced is a 12V battery. AN EASY LIFE FTW.


It was more than just one 12v battery IIRC.


Just one. The replacement was good as gold.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

12V battery is our biggest warranty item.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Supposed to be a bigger and more robust one in the fourth gen Prius.

That said, I've not had any issues in the Lexus, which I assume has the same battery as my old third gen.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends how big a battery can be shoehorned in.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when a brand is in the shit, what better way to desperately shout ďitís okay, nothing to see here, honest!Ē Than a logo revamp.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volkswagen-reveal-new-logo-frankfurt-motor-show
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VW couldn't even dream of such a celebrity endorsement these days.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seamaster wrote:
In nearly a decade of hybrid Bob "ownership", all I've had to have replaced is a 12V battery.

AN EASY LIFE FTW.


I'd have been impressed if it was the same car for the decade of 'ownership'.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VW are to reveal an EXCITING NEW LOGO at Frankfurt, according to Autocar.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SPACKER.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

austin-towers wrote:
SPACKER.


Why?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spastic wrote:
austin-towers wrote:
SPACKER.


Why?

OH RANDLE
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spastic wrote:
VW are to reveal an EXCITING NEW LOGO at Frankfurt, according to Autocar.


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marinast wrote:
when a brand is in the shit, what better way to desperately shout ďitís okay, nothing to see here, honest!Ē Than a logo revamp.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volkswagen-reveal-new-logo-frankfurt-motor-show

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick Besonderes wrote:

I see a lot of 'dealer replaced wiring loom' on Tatuar forums.

All this tech is marvellous, but if your subbie cannot even crimp on a fucking spade connector correctly, there's no hope in Hell. The Japies got wiring looms reliable decades ago.


I was seeing a lot of electrical switches and looms coming from Morocco and Egypt. Countries not well known for their electrical assembly history and I guess so remote as to not be able to rapidly respond when the factory realises there is a flaw in manufacture.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Sward wrote:
I was seeing a lot of electrical switches and looms coming from Morocco and Egypt. Countries not well known for their electrical assembly history and I guess so remote as to not be able to rapidly respond when the factory realises there is a flaw in manufacture.


HYCSASTTG?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They'd have the same issues if they were getting their looms from some places in this country.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

austin-towers wrote:
Spastic wrote:
VW are to reveal an EXCITING NEW LOGO at Frankfurt, according to Autocar.


FOUR POSTS EARLIER:

marinast wrote:
when a brand is in the shit, what better way to desperately shout ďitís okay, nothing to see here, honest!Ē Than a logo revamp.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volkswagen-reveal-new-logo-frankfurt-motor-show


ILMDBT, again.
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Whatís this, step one of SPASTICS ANONYMOUS? Acknowledging that youíre a SPASTIC?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spastic wrote:
austin-towers wrote:
Spastic wrote:
VW are to reveal an EXCITING NEW LOGO at Frankfurt, according to Autocar.


FOUR POSTS EARLIER:

marinast wrote:
when a brand is in the shit, what better way to desperately shout ďitís okay, nothing to see here, honest!Ē Than a logo revamp.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volkswagen-reveal-new-logo-frankfurt-motor-show


ILMDBT, again.


No you didnít.

Itís what we expect, if anything itís heartening that you can type and breathe (and eat chicken dippers and smiley faces I assume) at the same time.
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Nice to know thereís care in the community.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/audi-threatened-additional-dieselgate-fines-germany
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From ANE:

FRANKFURT -- Volkswagen Group has abandoned its decades-old obsession with empire building and no-expense-spared engineering to free up resources for the development and mass production of electric cars, its CEO Herbert Diess said.

A global clampdown on toxic exhaust fumes has triggered a new wave of consolidation in the auto industry as automakers look for ways to slash development costs for low-emissions and self-driving technologies.

While rivals such as Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and Renault explore a $35 billion deal to bulk up, VW Group is taking the opposite approach: slimming down.

"We don't need more brands. With very few exceptions we can tap the world's large profit segments with our existing brands," Diess told Reuters at the Frankfurt auto show.

VW is spending 80 billion euros ($88.2 billion) to buy battery cells and develop electric cars and has struck a broad alliance with Ford Motor to help share development and manufacturing costs.

Volkswagen grew into a multi-brand empire under the leadership of Ferdinand Piech, the company's CEO and chairman between 1993 and 2015, whose aggressive expansion resulted in the acquisition of Bentley, Bugatti and Lamborghini in a single year.

Today the German company has 660,000 employees and owns the Seat, Skoda, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, Ducati and Audi brands in addition Scania, MAN and VW.

Eye on cost

Piech, who passed away last month, took pride in emphasizing engineering brilliance ahead of earnings, a culture which caused VW's profitability to lag behind rivals such as Toyota and Peugeot.

Diess told Reuters that creating the best product without regard to costs is a perilous strategy in today's world, given the task of overhauling combustion engines at the same time as developing new technologies.

"The product experience needs to be right. But you need to keep an eye on cost. You cannot run the business by focusing only on product," Diess told Reuters.

"There are several examples where this has failed. Look at Borgward, they had by far the best products, but they disappeared," Diess said, referring to a company that made popular passenger cars in the 1950s. Borgward filed for bankruptcy in 1961 and was revived by Chinese investors in 2015.

This month European auto leaders warned that a new emissions clampdown threatens jobs and profits after the European Union forced automakers to slash carbon dioxide emissions by 37.5 percent between 2021 and 2030. This comes in addition to a 40 percent cut in emissions between 2007 and 2021.

Frank Witter, the company's CFO, said he wants to raise profitability to help shoulder the emissions clampdown by slimming down, rather than bulking up the car and truckmaker.

"Reducing complexity has its value in terms of the overall group structure," Witter said in an interview at the company's headquarters in Wolfsburg.

"In the past, strategy was reduced to 10 million retail sales and overtaking Toyota," Witter said. Last year, VW Group sold 10.8 million vehicles compared with 10.4 million for Toyota Group.

VW has begun dismantling Piech's empire, selling some assets, including transmissions and bearings manufacturer Renk, MAN Energy Solutions, and listing truckmaker Traton earlier this year.

Volkswagen is still reviewing its assets and products in its drive to increase profits, Witter told Reuters.

"There are other things we certainly could think about," he said, "but I continue to refrain from speculation because that makes things more complicated."

Makes one wonder how shabby will they be once they've cost-cut? Ended badly for Opel a few decades back.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Companies who bank the house on electric vehicles being the future are playing a dangerous game.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick Besonderes wrote:
From ANE: "There are several examples where this has failed. Look at Borgward, they had by far the best products, but they disappeared," Diess said, referring to a company that made popular passenger cars in the 1950s. Borgward filed for bankruptcy in 1961 and was revived by Chinese investors in 2015.


Herbert would have been two years old at the time of the Bremen Unpleasantness, but even as a southerner may have been aware of Borgward's collapse in his early years

It's more likely that he may have chosen his point of reference following the showing of Die Affšre Borgward,which brought the story to a generation of Germans who have grown up never seeing a Borgward vehicle.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They don't learn.

From Der Spiegel:



10.07.1989
Volkswagen "in danger"?
For nine years, Claus Borgward, 50, was a member of the Volkswagen Group's Board of Management in Wolfsburg, without ever attracting particular attention. Only now, on his departure, he caused a stir. In a letter to his closest associates, he wrote that in the future the so far "outstanding" quality of the Volkswagen vehicles would be "seriously endangered". As a result, says Borgward, it could even "put the company in danger". Background of the Borgward letter: The quality control of the company, until now its own board department headed by Borgward with around 8,000 employees, will be dissolved and added to the areas of production, research and development. Borgward has fought to the very end against this reorganization, but was outvoted in the board of all others. After the decisive board meeting last Monday, the outgoing VW board wrote down all its arguments again. Soon the letter was duplicated passed around in the corporation. When Borgward learned of the distribution of his letter, he asked his Supervisory Board Chairman Klaus Liesen for an immediate leave of absence.


Maybe that was why the Mk3 Golf was such a PoS.
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Produkt wissen.
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Projekt treiben.
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