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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sandie wrote:
After years of tyre-kicking even you've came to conclude that Tatuar are impossible to consider due to their levels of reliability. To the extent that a Shitroen is preferrable.


Fucking BRUTAL.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SHITRON LOLZ
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkM wrote:
Sadly I can only speak from experience not reading reviews.


YOU HUM IT, I'LL RUN A SPONGE OVER IT!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marinast wrote:
austin-towers wrote:
marinast wrote:
Stolen from outside my house. Thief opened my front door with a stick and nicked the keys in my wifeís bag.


Sheefag, remember that morning not so long ago, we woke up with massive hangovers and no recollection of the night before, near the banks of the Thames, totally naked with nothing else but a stick and a handbag?


Which one of you lost several pints of blood over the drivers seat of that Galaxy? Laughing


Aye, we had two's up on that fat lass who was on the rags in some auld icecream van I think.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imagine the fun you will have on Bobs drugs stash Sheefag.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You wouldn't want that Galaxy back mate, fuck me, the smell...

Towers, I said, you'll never get a salmon in there, not a whole one like. Never stopped him from trying. It was like the fucking codwars.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luckily that litre bottle of 5w30 was in the boot.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ottertronic wrote:
MarkM wrote:
Sadly I can only speak from experience not reading reviews.


YOU HUM IT, I'LL RUN A SPONGE OVER IT!


Lol
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick Besonderes wrote:
And there was me thinking it might be the FIAT multi-air bits that could prove troublesome.

Many manufacturers have under-specced the cam drive (B** MINI anyone?) and neoprene belts would be easier to change regularly.

All this flimsy shite obviously saves more CO^2s in squirt than the energy requirements of manufacturing a new engine in somebody's universe.

But we are where we are; badge-engineered BMWs everywhere - even Morgan. Might as well buy a B** then.


If not B**, then VAG. Even unto Fords FFS.

The Tatuar Multi-air is by way of Schaeffler, which suggests a packaged design and supply deal. Fiat's deal to license the multi-air IP to Schaeffler sounds worryingly like a repeat of their precipitate sale of their Common Rail development patents to Bosch. I hope they've been cannier this time.

I've yet to try a throttle-less petrol engine I like - they respond very oddly and fail to deliver the efficiency promised on paper in real life.

Weedy chains in the wrong places apart, the Ingenium is probably close the mainstream for current 500cc cylinder module engines. It weighs around 138kg, and has cylinder centres of 93mm - wider than VAG's 88mm and B**'s 91mm.

I'd reckon Bob's new Dynamic Force M20A-FKS is a lot lighter. 80.5 x 97.6 proportions are considered optimum for a 2 litre, albeit a NA petrol one designed for ultimate efficiency rather than extreme power.

The Ingenium's proportions are 83.0 x 92.4. If there was room for another 10.6mm of stroke, the new straight six could be exactly the same size as the 3.4 litre XK, a rather pleasing thought.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itís posts like that that get this forum a bad name.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5ivegearsinreverse wrote:
Nick Besonderes wrote:
And there was me thinking it might be the FIAT multi-air bits that could prove troublesome.

Many manufacturers have under-specced the cam drive (B** MINI anyone?) and neoprene belts would be easier to change regularly.

All this flimsy shite obviously saves more CO^2s in squirt than the energy requirements of manufacturing a new engine in somebody's universe.

But we are where we are; badge-engineered BMWs everywhere - even Morgan. Might as well buy a B** then.


If not B**, then VAG. Even unto Fords FFS.

The Tatuar Multi-air is by way of Schaeffler, which suggests a packaged design and supply deal. Fiat's deal to license the multi-air IP to Schaeffler sounds worryingly like a repeat of their precipitate sale of their Common Rail development patents to Bosch. I hope they've been cannier this time.

I've yet to try a throttle-less petrol engine I like - they respond very oddly and fail to deliver the efficiency promised on paper in real life.

Weedy chains in the wrong places apart, the Ingenium is probably close the mainstream for current 500cc cylinder module engines. It weighs around 138kg, and has cylinder centres of 93mm - wider than VAG's 88mm and B**'s 91mm.

I'd reckon Bob's new Dynamic Force M20A-FKS is a lot lighter. 80.5 x 97.6 proportions are considered optimum for a 2 litre, albeit a NA petrol one designed for ultimate efficiency rather than extreme power.

The Ingenium's proportions are 83.0 x 92.4. If there was room for another 10.6mm of stroke, the new straight six could be exactly the same size as the 3.4 litre XK, a rather pleasing thought.


Ingenium 4 did seem a bit like an old Honda unit, so was promising.

I suspect the I6 version will be way better, in the way that Cofton Hackett has a habit of repeating itself.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another couple of cylinders usually improves an engine. Triumph 20S and Blue Streak for example. The best E6 was the 'strine 2.6, usefully re-worked for rwd-only use.

The downside is that a four reverse engineered from a six is usually a bit bobbins - lots of Seppo examples. The first exception to come to mindf is the Fiat 1300/1500 polyspheric head four - two thirds of the 2300S engine.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THREAD LOCKED.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The FIAT was a pretty 'square' engine so probably had the bore spacing to permit a decent main bearing/big end area for a lumpy old four crankshaft. Having talented lead engineers always helps, too.

It's usually where V8s derived from fours fall over too; weak bottom ends. This is especially troo for AEC, Henschel & SAVIEM V8s.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marinast wrote:
Family I think. I bought the car from Wilmoths in Southampton which is a larger franchise.


I used to get shitfaced with James Wilmoth, erstwhile owner of said dealer group, on a regular basis in one of his pubs.

I hope this information is of use.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The dealership in Southampton is right opposite the football ground.
Either thatís ingenious as he has thousands of prospective customers walk past every other weekend to browse the forecourt or foolhardy as they also have plenty of shiny things to target in a fight.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long dead XJ13 design reborn as something pretty awesome.

Warning: This is arousing.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/legendary-jaguar-xj13-reborn-ecurie-lm69
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick Besonderes wrote:
The FIAT was a pretty 'square' engine so probably had the bore spacing to permit a decent main bearing/big end area for a lumpy old four crankshaft. Having talented lead engineers always helps, too.

It's usually where V8s derived from fours fall over too; weak bottom ends. This is especially troo for AEC, Henschel & SAVIEM V8s.


Not forgetting the Stag engine. although it did sound brilliant.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about V6s derived from 4s?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Sward wrote:
What about V6s derived from 4s?


Are there many?

KV6 certainly, but mostly it worked the other way - PRV V6 and 829 four, GM X-engine and 122 four.

There's the story that the Fiat 130 V6 was derived from the 128 four, but that's just arrant nonsense.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marinast wrote:
Long dead XJ13 design reborn as something pretty awesome.

Warning: This is arousing.


Strong contender for Worst Article 2019.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I blame the 1.2 C4 Picasso.
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5ivegearsinreverse wrote:
Lord Sward wrote:
What about V6s derived from 4s?


Are there many?

KV6 certainly, but mostly it worked the other way - PRV V6 and 829 four, GM X-engine and 122 four.

There's the story that the Fiat 130 V6 was derived from the 128 four, but that's just arrant nonsense.


PRV6 was a cut-down PRV8 and the SFM 829 4 does I believe have smaller bore spacings (and a different bore/stroke ratio) so they're only loosely-related.

The VAGes did initially derive V6s and V8s from EA827, but I have insufficient PK to know how related they really are. Given the undersquareness, they must've been quite bulky.

The Vauxhall slant-four was very oversquare and presumably that would have left bearing space for the V8 Ventora engine(!) and the Diseasel version for Bedford trucks. All came to naught in the end.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkM wrote:
I blame the 1.2 C4 Picasso.


1.2 C4 Picasso, LOL.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iím not surprised Iím not feeling much love for my new Grand Spacetourer but one good thing we must all agree on.

One less diesel on our roads. Laughing
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Why? Has it been scrapped?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stolen, written off, crushed.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marinast wrote:
Iím not surprised Iím not feeling much love for my new Grand Spacetourer but one good thing we must all agree on.

One less diesel on our roads. Laughing


Could be worse for you; you could have purchased an LEAF.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You not loving the future*?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marinast wrote:
Stolen, written off, crushed.


Iíd have said best thing for it, to be honest, but A FUCKING 1.2 C4 PICASSO?


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