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Barry
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:04 pm    Post subject: Franco SHITE LEYLAND looking more likely Reply with quote

Fiat and Tatuar acquisitions being eyed up by PSA as Opel has been such a huge success apparently.

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/peugeot-family-would-support-more-psa-acquisitions
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tatuar is now officially THE UNLOVED GINGER STEPCHILD of the industry.
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This seems to be AN THING again:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-jaguar-ld-rvr-at-m-a-peugeot/peugeot-signals-openness-to-deals-after-Tatuar-report-idUSKCN1SF1HY
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know the RAGING OTTER season has started, but this is surely of some interest.

The West Midlands media (Codsall Bee-Thunderer, Sutton Coldfieldische Beobachter) is alight with stories that something's happening, and soon.

Does Carlos T know what he's letting himself in for? Previous performance on Opel is no guarantee of future returns. I'm sensing hubris. Next he'll be telling us he's a distant relative of Bill Lyons, or the Wilks family.

1994 all over again?
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only five months in and my predictions are looking alright: http://www.macdroitwich.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3647#3647
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see a new Rover 114i based on a Pug 106 coming about.
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have dealings with Tatuar at work and the gossip about this is in overdrive. I do wonder why though? Stranger things have happened.

When all the rest of the remaining manufacturers of Europe have finished merging into 2 or 3 huge Euro-Leyland corporations are B** going to be the last independent volume car maker left?
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A French Jaguar. WCPGR?
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makes sense for PSA. Buys them into the premium sector, gets them a ready-made dealer network to launch their ambitions to return the French brands to the US, and gives them some expensive R/4WD platforms with which to make big, upmarket Peugeots and/or Citroens for China. Not sure what's in it for Tatuar though, apart from even worse electric connector quality.
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have we had lickers salivating at the prospect of Insignias rebadged as Rovers yet?
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ottertronic wrote:
Makes sense for PSA. Buys them into the premium sector, gets them a ready-made dealer network to launch their ambitions to return the French brands to the US, and gives them some expensive R/4WD platforms with which to make big, upmarket Peugeots and/or Citroens for China. Not sure what's in it for Tatuar though, apart from even worse electric connector quality.


Otter, you're not selling it to me.

Big upmarket Peugeots and Citroens are an unproven and marginal commodity these days, even in China. Look at the bust ass that is DS. Unless they go full electric soon, Tatuar will increase the Peugeot group's emissions liability, and Land Rover no longer have the absolute top end of the SUV sector to themselves.

Tatuar have some rwd platforms and a just about adequate engine family. Neither of these are high on Peugeot's list of desiderata.

And as for breaking the USA, what's the point, and what are the chances? The casualty list grows ever longer. Alfa are struggling and the brand still has some weight and a (sort of) American parent company. Who in their USA would buy a Peugeot rather than a Toyota, Mazda, or Hyundai?
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the answer to the question little more than the prospect of large amounts of UK taxpayers money?

I fear it is.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5ivegearsinreverse wrote:
Big upmarket Peugeots and Citroens are an unproven and marginal commodity these days, even in China. Look at the bust ass that is DS.


And, to be frank, badge aside, the 508 is probably a more compelling executive saloon than the XGhee or XF.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A shame Geeley are not seemingly interested, they have the right attitude to running an established brand such as Volvo.
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sandie wrote:
5ivegearsinreverse wrote:
Big upmarket Peugeots and Citroens are an unproven and marginal commodity these days, even in China. Look at the bust ass that is DS.


And, to be frank, badge aside, the 508 is probably a more compelling executive saloon than the XGhee or XF.


To be fair, that says more about what passes for a "Jaguar" these days, than it does about the 508.
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JJ wrote:
Is the answer to the question little more than the prospect of large amounts of UK taxpayers money?

I fear it is.


Tata got nothing under Labour.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Latest permutation: Franco-Italian-American-Japies Leyland, and it could happen soon.

Fiat Chrysler set to unveil Renault tie-up Monday, reports say

It could be 1979 all over again...
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What on Earth could possibly go wrong?
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like it could happen:

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-fiat-chrysler-renault/fiat-chrysler-and-renault-pursue-35-billion-merger-to-combat-car-industry-upheaval-idUKKCN1SX0D9

Reuters wrote:
If it goes ahead, the $35 billion-plus tie-up would alter the landscape for rivals including General Motors and Peugeot maker PSA Group, which recently held inconclusive talks with Fiat Chrysler (FCA), and could spur more deals.

Renault said it was studying the proposal from Italian-American FCA with interest, and considered it friendly.

Shares in both companies jumped more than 10 percent as investors welcomed the prospect of an enlarged business capable of producing more than 8.7 million vehicles a year and aiming for 5 billion euros ($5.6 billion) in annual savings.

It would rank third in the global auto industry behind Japanís Bob and Germanyís VAG.


Talk about a coalition of mediocrity...
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1978: Pew Joe take over the chronically loss-making European operations of a struggling US Big Three automaker.

1979: Renault enter into a joint-stock alliance with the maker of Jeep, eventually taking a controlling interest in 1983.

2017: Pew Joe take over the chronically loss-making European operations of a struggling US Big Three automaker.

2019: Renault contemplate entering into a joint-stock alliance with the maker of Jeep.

Ecclesiastes 1:1-12
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All we need is PSA reviving the Talbot brand for full Groundhog Day goodness.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marinast wrote:
All we need is PSA reviving the Talbot brand for full Groundhog Day goodness.


Renault could revive the Eagle brand to sell the Megane and Talisman in the USA and Canada, alongside the Mitsubishi Eclipse Sport re-badged as an Eagle Talon Sport.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It just seems like too many brands chasing too few customers in too few segments.
FCA have serious issues, Chrysler in the US no longer sell the volume 200, the 300 is as old as dinosaurs and the Challenger is almost as old as the Fiat 500, which is almost a teenager.
Fiat have little or zero US presence, Alfa Romeo are struggling and apart from Jeep and the Dodge/Ram side itís grim reading for them.
PSA has no US presence, their EU sales are okay but China is underwhelming and DS is sinking without a trace at the moment.
Renault are riding a wave of SUV sales and cheap low margin Dacia sales but long term are struggling in commercial vehicle sales and have low China/zero US presence.

Itís a mishmash of products and without some hard headed product/brand culling and serious investment, long term itís success is on a downward trajectory.

Unfortunately too many brands are still tarnished by their 1960s/70s US sales strategy, Renault is still associated with cheap (and unreliable) cars like the Dauphine while Fiat have never convinced US buyers their saloons are serious domestic competitors, let alone rivals for Japanese or German marques.
Sadly I just canít see how itís going to work out for them all.
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bring back Le Car!
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a notion this morning of Renault reviving Plymouth to sell Dacias in the USA.

Duster once more!
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of the usual stuff about platform and powertrain sharing:

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/fiat-chrysler-would-get-key-platform-boost-renault-tie

Would Renault really have a use for the Jeep Wrangler chassis?

There could be a proper Punto replacement - I dare Fiat to call it the 127. That's as likely as a Lancia Talisman.

I'd like to see something properly mad, like an Alfa version of the Twingo, in blessed memory of this:



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They could call it the Arna.
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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick Besonderes wrote:
They could call it the Arna.


NOT ENUFF DATSUNZ...
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably entirely kosher, but this doesn't look good on the part of the former Swan National salesman from Aberdeen, England (sic):

Manley sold $3.5 million in FCA shares a day after Renault offer
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/fiat-chrysler-withdraws-renault-merger-offer
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiELOWkgzFN-WmNVRo2Mu3TeMqGQgEKhAIACoHCAow4uzwCjCF3bsCMIrOrwM?hl=en-GB&gl=GB&ceid=GB%3Aen
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you mean https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-09/france-plays-down-selling-renault-stake-after-japan-visit ?
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