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marinast
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:11 pm    Post subject: The **ALL NEW** Diesel Going Over The Side Thread Reply with quote

https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2018/nov/14/diesel-pollution-stunts-childrens-lung-growth-london-study-shows
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Not a gentleman's fuel
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:54 pm    Post subject: Re: The **ALL NEW** Diesel Going Over The Side Thread Reply with quote

marinast wrote:
https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2018/nov/14/diesel-pollution-stunts-childrens-lung-growth-london-study-shows


As if the poor bastards didn't have enough to contend with being stabbed left right and centre.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honda to push its last diesel over the side by 2021.

Honda drops diesels in Europe in electric push

...except for viewers in India, Thailand and the Philippines.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Guardian? London? NO FUCKS GIVEN.
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The chattering classes have betrayed the nation.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I look forward to cheaper used diesels
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noch zwanzig Jahre!

So Mr. Cheerful thinks...

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/B**-diesels-survive-least-20-more-years-gasoline-engines-30

No more diesel TRIPPELS for BINIs, no more V12s - even for Rolls-Royces - seems to be the message.

ANE wrote:
“The shift to electrification is overhyped,” Froelich said. “Battery-electric vehicles cost more in terms of raw materials for batteries. This will continue and could eventually worsen as demand for these raw materials increases.”

While internal combustion engines are set to remain at B** for a while, their portfolio will shrink drastically.

On the diesel side, the automaker will abandon the 1.5-liter three-cylinder unit. It will disappear because it is too expensive to get it to comply with Europe's tougher emissions standards. The engine is only offered in Europe.

In addition, B**'s 400-hp, six-cylinder diesel that is offered in the 750d upper-premium car won’t be replaced because it is too expensive and too complicated to build, Froelich said, adding that the engine has four turbochargers.

B** will still continue to develop four- and six-cylinder diesels, but they will have no more than three turbos.

On the gasoline side, the days of the V-12 engine are numbered.

“Each year, we have to invest to update the V-12 to new emissions regulations, particularly in China,” Froelich said. “And when the V-12 accounts for about 5,000 sales a year globally, this includes Rolls-Royce, the cost of these updates is several thousand euros per unit.”

Surprisingly, the B** executive also said the company is working on a business case to keep its V-8 gasoline engine.

“Six-cylinder units coupled with plug-in hybrid applications already deliver more than 500 kW (680 hp) of power and enough torque to destroy any transmission,” Froelich said.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus, I didn't even know QUAD-TURBO was a thing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TMFT
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5ivegearsinreverse wrote:
Honda to push its last diesel over the side by 2021.

Honda drops diesels in Europe in electric push

...except for viewers in India, Thailand and the Philippines.


The thing is, the diesel engine is quite a useful tool. You can burn a variety of low grade fuels in it. I'm a little surprised that no one has gone down the route of genetically modified oil seed rape that could grow on crap land to make veg oil for diesel vehicles. I suppose the scale you'd need is probably the problem.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That, and the world needs to eat.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

620bob wrote:
5ivegearsinreverse wrote:
Honda to push its last diesel over the side by 2021.

Honda drops diesels in Europe in electric push

...except for viewers in India, Thailand and the Philippines.


The thing is, the diesel engine is quite a useful tool. You can burn a variety of low grade fuels in it. I'm a little surprised that no one has gone down the route of genetically modified oil seed rape that could grow on crap land to make veg oil for diesel vehicles. I suppose the scale you'd need is probably the problem.


A very good point. I think the current issue is emissions from diesel engines, particularly particulates and NOx. I can't imagine this would be improved by running on kebab shop overflow and poundland vodka.

If electric, fuel cell or some other tech fails to meet the world's needs when fossil oil finally starts to run out then maybe good old compression ignition will be our saviour given that it will provide usable motive power from low grade (ie. renewable) fuels.

Fuel is one thing. Does anyone know what we are going to use as lubricants once all the rotting dinosaurs are gone. Butter? What will the vegans think of that?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sandie wrote:
Jesus, I didn't even know QUAD-TURBO was a thing.


Veyron.

And er....


Paxman VP185?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Giles wrote:
Sandie wrote:
Jesus, I didn't even know QUAD-TURBO was a thing.


Veyron.

And er....


Paxman VP185?


It was the earlier, less gross pre-VAG EB110 wot started it.

Paxman is now also part of VAG. Sic transit gloria mundi.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tri-turbo 750d is superb.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fuel is one thing. Does anyone know what we are going to use as lubricants once all the rotting dinosaurs are gone. Butter? What will the vegans think of that?


Fully synthetic oil not made its way to Norfolk yet, Giles?
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Giles wrote:
Sandie wrote:
Jesus, I didn't even know QUAD-TURBO was a thing.


Veyron.

And er....


Paxman VP185?


I thought he was quite good on Newsnight. Not pumpable like Maitlis mind.
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Giles wrote:
Fuel is one thing. Does anyone know what we are going to use as lubricants once all the rotting dinosaurs are gone. Butter? What will the vegans think of that?


Fully synthetic oil not made its way to Norfolk yet, Giles?


YLYDBT, S.

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Synthetic oil is a lubricant consisting of chemical compounds that are artificially made. Synthetic lubricants can be manufactured using chemically modified petroleum components rather than whole crude oil, but can also be synthesized from other raw materials. The base material, however, is still overwhelmingly crude oil that is distilled and then modified physically and chemically.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Motul make engine oil from coconuts and other vegetable based esters (synthetic group 5 esters). These oils are expensive to produce compared to crude oil based engine oils but are renewable and give good performance even in motorsport use.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5ivegearsinreverse wrote:
Giles wrote:
Sandie wrote:
Jesus, I didn't even know QUAD-TURBO was a thing.


Veyron.

And er....


Paxman VP185?


It was the earlier, less gross pre-VAG EB110 wot started it.

Paxman is now also part of VAG. Sic transit gloria mundi.


Looks like Cummins is bidding for Paxman, presently under VAG occupation:

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/cummins-makes-offer-vws-large-engines-unit-report-says

ANE wrote:
Diesel engine maker Cummins has made an offer for Volkswagen Group's MAN Energy Solutions unit, people close to the matter said, as the automaker seeks to slim down its portfolio of disparate assets.

VW announced in May that it is exploring a sale or partnership for its MAN Energy Solutions as part of a restructuring of the German cars, trucks and bus empire.

VW has held talks with Cummins, and received an offer from the U.S. company for MAN Energy Solutions, the sources said.

A Cummins spokesman said: "We do not comment on rumors or speculation in the marketplace."

Although VW has not yet appointed advisory banks for the sale, it has approached several companies to gauge their appetite for the asset, which is expected to fetch about 3 billion euros ($3.4 billion) the sources said.

To maximize price, Volkswagen has also engaged in talks with Advent-owned engine maker Jenbacher, a former General Electric business, as well as at least one Asian peer, they added. Advent declined to comment. Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and Wärtsilä have been named as possible bidders in the past.

"Volkswagen originally wanted to strike a sweetheart deal with Cummins, but is now opening up holding talks with some other strategic players," one of the people said, adding that the automaker hopes to sign a deal before year-end.
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MAN are solely responsible for dismantling large engine manufacturing in this country.

Through their purchase of GEC Alstom they inherited Mirlees-Blackstone, Paxman, Ruston and the heritage of famous names like Napier and Vulcan foundry. They pissed it all away in a decade, asset stripping factories, binning renowned engine designs and lumbering loyal customers with re-badged lorry engines.

The best moment was when the Colchester works of Paxman, stripped and almost entirely sold off had to be hastily reinstated as a manufacturing site for the VP185 as the Germans lacked the expertise to build it.

This only leaves Perkins (owned by Caterpillar) still building the Dorman based 4000 series and Cummins building large medium speed diesels in the UK.
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Aye, when you look at the engines we had from firms such as Meadows it makes you weep.
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Giles wrote:
MAN are solely responsible for dismantling large engine manufacturing in this country.

Through their purchase of GEC Alstom they inherited Mirlees-Blackstone, Paxman, Ruston and the heritage of famous names like Napier and Vulcan foundry. They pissed it all away in a decade, asset stripping factories, binning renowned engine designs and lumbering loyal customers with re-badged lorry engines.

The best moment was when the Colchester works of Paxman, stripped and almost entirely sold off had to be hastily reinstated as a manufacturing site for the VP185 as the Germans lacked the expertise to build it.

This only leaves Perkins (owned by Caterpillar) still building the Dorman based 4000 series and Cummins building large medium speed diesels in the UK.


This is quite interesting, but it's Giles so I'm going to go ahead and assume it's also bollocks.
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I don't think MAN's ever forgiven the Brits after the ERF purchase turned out to be a massive swindle.

MAN did discover years ago that Diseasels run longer & cleaner on veggie oil - the problem back then is that cities would've smelled like a belgian frites stall.

Growing crops and making oil from them is energy-inefficient (and produces more CO^2s, if that is really a consideration) than digging dino-juice out of the ground. And since oil may be renweable (the Russkies were very big on the abiogenic oil theory) it'll be a long time before it really disappears.

LNG or CNG is a very easy conversion for diseasels and they run better (if weaker - it's less energy-dense) on that too, but the tanks are a bit expensive ATM so the industry's not keen.
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It’s threads like this that get us a bad name.
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Ottertronic wrote:
Giles wrote:
MAN are solely responsible for dismantling large engine manufacturing in this country.

Through their purchase of GEC Alstom they inherited Mirlees-Blackstone, Paxman, Ruston and the heritage of famous names like Napier and Vulcan foundry. They pissed it all away in a decade, asset stripping factories, binning renowned engine designs and lumbering loyal customers with re-badged lorry engines.

The best moment was when the Colchester works of Paxman, stripped and almost entirely sold off had to be hastily reinstated as a manufacturing site for the VP185 as the Germans lacked the expertise to build it.

This only leaves Perkins (owned by Caterpillar) still building the Dorman based 4000 series and Cummins building large medium speed diesels in the UK.


This is quite interesting, but it's Giles so I'm going to go ahead and assume it's also bollocks.


There's a fantastic Paxman history site out there on the web which details all this. https://www.paxmanhistory.org.uk/

I seem to remember that they tried to shut Colchester twice, the first time moving production to Mirlees in Stockport, but the sub-mancunians couldn't make Paxmans properly either. For some reason only the Pearlies of the world can make enormous, highly tuned aluminium blocked diesel engines.
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chucky wrote:
Aye, when you look at the engines we had from firms such as Meadows it makes you weep.


Meadows, Kelvin, Fowler, AEC, Leyland, Commer, Lister-Petter, WH Allen. Nearly every major town had an engine factory.

And the entire world owes a debt to Harry Ricardo and Charles Chapman, without whom diesels would still be 10 feet tall, rev to 400rpm and need 2 hours to prepare for starting.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

5ivegearsinreverse wrote:
Honda to push its last diesel over the side by 2021.

Honda drops diesels in Europe in electric push

...except for viewers in India, Thailand and the Philippines.


Honda was doing DIESELS?
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They recycled the old Isuzu lump for 1,700cc and then their own 2.2 which was a total disaster initially and must have cost them a fortune in warranty claims.

Not forgetting the Rover L-series (which I just did).
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What about the 1.6 I-DTEC in the civic and CRV?

Or the 1.5 in the Jazz?
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What about them?
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Buzzy SHITE made in Swindon.
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Sward seems to have forgotten those too.
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He's RUBBISH isn't he.
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MarkM wrote:
What about the 1.6 I-DTEC in the civic and CRV?

Or the 1.5 in the Jazz?


The trajectory of the N Series is bizarre - it's a sort of Incredible Shrinking Engine.

Despite all the the 'Earth Dreams' guff, 1.6 is the same unit as the 2.2 but with much reduced bores and stroke. The nearest I can think of is the cut-down N47D16 B** used in some BINIs and also sold to Bob.

The 1.5 mostly used in Indian Jazzes and Citys is an 76mm bore N series with a 5.5mm shorter stroke.

The N Series reputation is not good. Someone close to the matter told me that they're unlikely to last 100K miles without requiring major work.
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Is the 1.6 an N series? I would have considered it to be fine.
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That’s relieving to know, Barry.
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MarkM wrote:
That’s relieving to know, Barry.

D***, if everyone is more energetic EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE.
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Barry, what's with putting D*** on every post? Are you auditioning for the new BILL & TED film?
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